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Post by Lorraine on Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:01 pm

Hmmm, well right now, he's lucky he's still alive.  Evil or Very Mad 

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Post by Lorraine on Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:34 am

Well, he's already back in his crate. Took a nice chunk out of the top of my arm. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Geez, when am I going to break this little bugger?

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Post by Scatty on Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:05 am

Oh dear, poor you. Just keep up the new way and he will get the message.

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Post by Maria on Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:46 pm

did you pin him until he was still afterwards then ignore him, I mean does he understand that it was bad?

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Post by thriftycrafter on Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:31 pm

So pleased that you have some help and advice, I hope. He responds quickly, good to have the input from the boys

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Post by Lorraine on Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:58 pm

I tried Maria, but he wouldn't give up this time.

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Post by Maria on Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:26 pm

gawd, I hope he didnt win.....

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Post by cb on Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:41 pm

Had a nice chat with Lorraine yesterday in between hearing her call to Saxon as she couldn't see where he'd gone in the garden.
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Post by Lorraine on Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:17 pm

He's got 2½ weeks. My arm is a bloody mess again and if he's not sorted by the time he's 16 weeks, he's going. I've had enough.

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Post by Di Masters on Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:23 pm

Oh dear... Such a shame things are not improving

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Post by cb on Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:33 pm

Oh Lorraine I really feel for you. Can you not try some training classes?
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Post by WeirdCat on Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:26 pm

Why 16 weeks? If you are giving him a time limit then maybe you should just give him up now, he seems to be a dog that needs a lot of exercise, and possibly other dogs, to tire him out and a lot of input, he sounds very intelligent and may well make an excellent police dog. He would probably fit in well in a house with other dogs who can put him in his place like Sprocket did. Don't blame yourself, sometimes these things don't work out, the right dog for one person is the wrong one for another. You have experience with GS's, but it's been a while since you had a puppy and I bet you weren't looking after your Mum when you had them plus you are a tad older now. Maybe you could look at a rescue GS, older and already trained. Is it worth having a tetanus shot after all these bites just in case?

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Post by Lorraine on Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:51 pm

I dunno Ruth. I keep hoping I suppose.

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Post by Maria on Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:25 pm

isnt the pinning working? if its not then go back to the RAF guys and get more lessons in how to do it. Ruth has a point (as usual) about the tetanus shot.

I agree he sounds like he needs other dogs, and mental stimulation as well as physical exercise and a firm hand. How much interaction with other dogs/people and exercise is he actually getting?

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Post by Lorraine on Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:28 pm

Probably not as much as he should or I'd like him to.

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Post by Di Masters on Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:22 am

This is the difficulty of having a lively energetic puppy when you have so much tying you to the house Lorraine, not helping that you cannot take him out for long walks and meet other people/dogs.
It sounds as if he has decided he's number one in your household.

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Post by WeirdCat on Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:40 am

He's probably a bit like the lab down the road, Floyd needs two good walks a day otherwise he eats the house, he's been like since the day he arrived, luckily he just tries to eat the house and not people and he does a mean facial wash!

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Post by Scrap Monkey on Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:50 am

I think it's the same with any working breed, as a minimum they need 2 hour long walks a day; springers are certainly like that. (obviously a puppy doesn't need that much walking, but he should be gradually building up his 'mileage').

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Post by kimb on Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:37 am

oh no this is not the news we want to hear.
go back to the raf chaps they did say you could.dont you dare feel as if you have failed because what they showed you has not worked ...yes its not worked just yet but will do with time and perseverance im sure.
they made you feel so.positive and they will have come come up against more than one strong willed dog in their lives in the dog section and will know how to do it so dont cut off that help by letting your pride get in the way ....I know you too well .mwaah!
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Post by Lorraine on Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:52 am

I am going back to the dog section this afternoon. I spoke to Jimmy on Monday as he'd asked me to let him know how Saxon was going and he said they want to keep in touch anyway and I could go back as he doesn't think they're too busy today.

I've just taken him for a walk and he's laying quiet now.

I put a lot of thought into this last night and although I keep threatening to let him go, I really, really don't want to. I think possibly, the fault IS with me. He's a clever, fast learning, energetic dog. I'm used to a dog that just lays down all day. I think I definitely need to change my behaviour and spend more time with Saxon. He can't go out for hours yet because his bones aren't strong enough, but 3 or 4 half hour walks would be good for now. Mum should be OK for that length of time.

I think that every time Saxon starts playing up, I should get off my arse and either play with him, train him or walk him. So, I'm going to try that.

I also ordered a citronella collar last night. It's a last resort, but it is humane and I thought anything was worth a try.

So fingers crossed again.

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Post by Scrap Monkey on Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:55 am

Lorrain, you know you are right, and if you do change things now whilst he is still young you will end up with a happy and healthy dog who adores you. Can you get the care package thing organised for later on so that when he's older and needs longer walks someone will cover Betty for you? It would give you a break from her, make it easier to cope when you do go back, and Saxon the exercise he needs, much better for all of you.

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Post by Lorraine on Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:24 am

Yes, I can Tina. Mr Green I've got 2 hours this aft' so even if dog handlers are busy, I'll still keep Saxon out.

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Post by Di Masters on Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:41 am

That's good Lorraine, do you both good to be out and about.

Its a bit like when you look after young children at our age now compared to when we had our own young in our 20/30s - completely knackering and bloomin hard work!

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Post by cb on Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:49 am

Hope you both enjoy the walks Lorraine. Like we've said he's so like Meg apart from the real biting. I'm off today so already been for one walk and just about to take her out again.
I totally agree Di!
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Post by kimb on Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:16 pm

fingers crossed here too .
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Post by Lorraine on Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:03 pm

One and a half hours by the river equals one knackered puppy. Dog handlers not there unfortunately.

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Post by kimb on Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:33 pm

oh well try again another time . did he enjoy his walk?
more to the point did you enjoy getting out with him ?
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Post by Lorraine on Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:02 pm

Yes, and yes. Mr Green  Mind you, I'm not used to walking so I was more knackered than him. He's dreadful on his lead at the moment and pulls like hell, so I left his Clix (car harness) on and attached the lead to that to try. Brilliant!

He was really quiet until tea time and as usual, about 6.00 he started.  I put him in his crate until I'd got mother settled and then took him out for another half hour and then he was quiet again until 9.00.  Got a bit cross with him but he wasn't as bad as usual and I backed off a bit rather than wind him up more.

Just got him in here now with a bonio and a fish skin chew hoping for a bit of peace while I do a bit of pootering.

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Post by Scatty on Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:36 am

sounds like it will do you both good, giving you a break from the house and Betty can only be a good thing for you. Build you both up to longer walks then too.

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Post by WeirdCat on Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:10 am

Max always wears his car harness when he goes for a walk, it really sorted his pulling when he was a puppy and I think is better on the neck muscles if you need to pull him away from the joys of fox poo!

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