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Post by WeirdCat on Fri 4 Jul 2014 - 11:12

He's puppy wriggly so cuddles are less likely to be on his agenda!

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Post by kt_dragonfly on Fri 4 Jul 2014 - 11:21

Sprocket isn't a big cuddler but he's getting better. Too full of energy at the moment I bet Mr Green

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Post by cb on Fri 4 Jul 2014 - 20:29

Lorraine I think Saxon and Meg have the same genes! Apart from no disturbed nights you describe what's happening here.
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Post by gingerjo on Fri 4 Jul 2014 - 21:44

oh how I don't miss that puppy period! Wainrights is Pets at Homes own brand food and is ok but upset Maya when they changed formula. those bone things are full of crap down the middle and what goes in comes out when Maya has had one. you are best sticking to natural stuff as much as possible. Have you tried raw carrots? I swear by a RAW diet and wouldn't feed anything else now. It often works out cheaper too especially when on expensive kibble. no smelly poos, nice small and dry. Too much cereals can upset tums too. Stag Bars are great for chewers, all natural and last for ages. Maya was awful with biting and chewing my hand every night when little. I used to end in tears, lots of holes in clothes too. But it did pass, eventually,lol. Clicker training is good. have you tried that. They soon catch on when clever dogs. Only time I get cuddles are if I have food!!
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Post by Lorraine on Fri 4 Jul 2014 - 21:55

He's doing well on the Wainwrights Jo, filling out and growing nicely. His treats are all 100% fish from Fish4Dogs, great stuff and the only other treats he has are the Coachies when he's being trained. I am clicker training him, and he's doing quite well.

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Post by gingerjo on Fri 4 Jul 2014 - 22:06

Yes exactly, my trainer does the closed fist thing and it does help. Maya was a nightmare and still is but with different anxieties. She came away too early from her mum too at 8 wks I think. They learn so much from their mum and Ruth split them at 6 wks, had them in different rooms. Her sister is a nightmare and we both have said they came away too early. it will get better. have you used puppy pads? Maya would pick one spot in the living room if she had an accident. I left a puppy pad out and she learnt to go on that. I gradually moved it towards the back door. That said she didn't have many accidents. I used the citronella spray to mask the smell when she had an accident. We also forget they are so young and expect them to do far too much.
My trainer says if they are being demanding leave the room and shut the door for 3 mins then go back. That works for Maya now when she is yipping at me to do something.

7.30 is a lie in, lol. If he sleeps till then he is doing well. I will have to come and see you with Maya when your ready to socialize if you like. She is fully vaccinated and will soon tell him off,lol.
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Post by gingerjo on Fri 4 Jul 2014 - 22:55

Fish 4 dogs is fab stuff, they do kibble too. Mayas favourite meal is oily fish. Glad your click and treating him, it works so well. So when he bites and pulls away, click and treat so he knows that pulling away is good. Make the treats tiny, Mayas are half a little finger nail size. When he stops treat c&t 3 times in a row. This is how my trainer does it with the puppies at her class.

You can use his kibble from his food and just c&t for rewards all day so he is not having too many treats. when he goes toilet outside etc. But work one thing at a time,lol. He will soon learn that its good and he will get food if its good.

She also clicks calm and when they are on their mat. They then learn to go and calm down on their mat. this has worked really well with Mayas anxieties that have developed this year. I am still training I hate to say! THe scary window next door is far less scary when her mat is outside. its amazing.

good luck, not sure I would ever have a puppy again,lol I fell in love with a GS x at dog show at w/e. needs a home, he was lovely. 3 yrs old, so calm and lovely, called Levi. we have inquired but heard nothing yet. We wondered if another calmer dog would help Maya. who knows eh?
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Post by Bead Queen - Carol on Mon 7 Jul 2014 - 18:39

Awww bless. Saxon is really so cute!

We give ours raw carrots peeled when she is on the scrounge between meal times. She loves them. We have also clicker trained tess a bit. She is pretty good.

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Post by Maria on Mon 7 Jul 2014 - 23:29

Oh lordy, what have I agreed to. Bracken did all this too...at least I have had a puppy more recently I suppose but I do remember what a shock it was after brambles at 11 who was angelic even as a puppy.

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Post by Maria on Mon 7 Jul 2014 - 23:31

Im starting to not want a puppy...

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Post by Lorraine on Tue 8 Jul 2014 - 0:04

lol! 

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Post by Lorraine on Tue 8 Jul 2014 - 0:11

Well, you might be lucky and get another little angel Maria. Mr Green I hope so, 'cause I wouldn't wish my last 3 weeks on my worst enemy.

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Post by Lorraine on Thu 10 Jul 2014 - 10:05

Well, I was almost afraid to get up this morning in case I had a dead puppy. I put Saxon in his crate at midnight and went to bed. I woke up at 8.00 this morning and there wasn't a sound. I honestly laid there for a while before I went to see that he was all right, lol. Can't believe he went through the night. He had done a wee in his crate, but really can't complain.

What I can complain about is that he regularly pees in his crate and the other day, he actually went in there for a poo!!!! They're not supposed to mess in their own dens. Still, I reckon it's 'cause his crate is too big. I bought the one to fit him as an adult so it's 50" long, so he sleeps at one end and messes at the other. I've no way of blocking it off either. Hopefully, as he grows he'll stop doing it, or when he can hold his bladder longer..whichever is soonest.

That said, I think I've broken the back of the house training. He's pretty good now and we only have the odd wee. He does let me know when he needs to go out for a poo (so don't know why he messed in his crate, maybe I missed the signs), so hopefully, he'll start letting me know when he wants a wee soon instead of me having to pre-empt him.

I think his biting is getting a little better. I only got 2 holes in my wrist yesterday. The biggest problem now is mother. Saxon keeps going for her feet and legs. She screams like a banshee and tries to get him away by flapping her clothes at him. This obviously makes him worse but no matter how many times I tell her not to, she either can't remember or just ignores me. He bit her leg yesterday and drew blood and I know it hurt her 'cause she's got no flesh on her bones. She's a bit afraid of him, which I'm pretty sure he's picking up on and she's crying a lot, which is putting me under more stress. So a big problem to solve there I think.

He has about 4 mad half hours or so a day when he's a bloody nightmare. But, if I go out and play ball with him, it seems to tire him out and he lays down and sleeps which is exactly what he's doing now.

He's 10 weeks old today, so is having his 2nd lot of jabs this aft and next week, I'll finally be able to take him out.

This was a special birthday bite from him (S**t....I look OLD!!!!) and my fave distinguishing mark, lol. I hope he keeps it, but I doubt it as his colour is changing already.

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Post by kt_dragonfly on Thu 10 Jul 2014 - 11:54

Seriously Lorraine, get in your car and bring him over for a play with Sprocket Mr Green he'll sleep for a week after that lol

Sprocket had the odd accident in his crate as well, the most disgusting was when he pooped, ate it and then threw it up...  No dear god i still remember the smell.

Its a shame about your mum, but then when she starts waving and flapping all shes doing is making him thinks she's playing. Naughty Saxon making her leg bleed, I guess her skin is just so fragile now

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Post by Di Masters on Thu 10 Jul 2014 - 12:45

Can you put him somewhere on his own when he goes for her Lou, make him realise if he does it he gets taken out and left alone.
You're going to need eyes in the back of your head once the kids are back!

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Post by Lorraine on Thu 10 Jul 2014 - 13:44

I've put him in his crate a couple of times Di. And yes, worried sick about him biting Aidan next week. Still, mother'll be in Tanglewood for 3 days so I won't be quite as stressed hopefully. As far as my stress and temper goes, I feel like the clock's gone back 2 years. I've gotten so used to being calm, I don't like this at all.

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Post by Maria on Thu 10 Jul 2014 - 15:52

OH dear you poor thing. Yes I have heard that about crates too - the advice leaflet that came with mine said 'if you only want to buy one crate, buy adult size and block the end off with a box or something' . Might a large cardboard box work?

it will get better, the toilet training. Bracken was a nightmare and took ages but she was totally reliable once she eventually got it.

not sure about the biting, never had one that did that. I presume youve tried slapping his nose etc, yes you've probably tied everything.

It sounds like he needs more exercice and stimulation, but not for the biting, just to quietn him down a bit and give you some rest.

I am so sorry its so hard.... Bracken was a nightmare puppy too and I do remember what it was like.

Have you got a plan for when the kids come? like leaving him outside or muzzling him or something?

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Post by thriftycrafter on Thu 10 Jul 2014 - 17:58

That's not fun for you Lorraine, I hope you get the nipping sorted soon, scary for your mum too as she can't move away. I'm sure you'll sort it.
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Post by Lorraine on Thu 10 Jul 2014 - 21:26

No, not fun.

That's the thing Maria. I don't know how much more stimulation and exercise I can give him. He's having regular training sessions, but he does lose interest quite quickly. I play with him, always trying to be aware of not getting him over excited and to try and tire him out, I play football and fetch with him. I'm hoping that as from next Thursday when I can take him out, it may help.

He had his jabs and never made a squeak. Julia (vet) weighed him and he's 10.4kg (23lbs approx) so he's put on 4kg in a fortnight. She said he's a super pup and is looking really good and he's quite big for 10 weeks. She also advised me, as he's obviously a dominant dog, to "have his nuts off early" lol. She said I should get him done at 4½ - 5 months. I hadn't really made the decision to have him done as I hate the thought of mutilating an animal, but she said it really would be the best thing for him and me. So, I think I'll get him done. Just have to get through the next couple of months first, lol.

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Post by kt_dragonfly on Fri 11 Jul 2014 - 11:49

Sounds like he really needs to start going on walks, wasn't he off a farm as well Lorraine? I'd assume that like Marias Jemma he's probably got a lot of immunity already for you to start taking him out.
I'll be honest, with all the energy Sprocket had we didn't wait for him to get all his injections and hes fine (well as fine as that weirdo pup gets lol).

Training wise, you should only be doing training sessions in short small bursts because with how young he is he can't concentrate for long periods. Maybe revise your training to 10min at a time and make sure its you who calls an end to the training period rather than him. Then start to build it up to longer sessions.

I think when Aiden and Mia are back, just take them aside before they meet Saxon and explain he is a young pup and at the moment he is very playful and part of puppies playing is they do nip/bite & it probably will hurt but not to be afraid as he doesn't mean to be mean he's just playing.
Explain to them if he does then not to get upset or angry, but to stop playing with him and walk away & ignore him until he calms down. When hes calm, then they can go back and play with him. Get them working on Saxons training with you and he'll learn that to be good around them and they'll learn invaluable skills.

I got Sprocket done at 6 months, I was a bit reluctant as overall he's not a dominant dog at all but knew it would help him and I have to say he has calmed down since having it done. So i think it will help with Saxon a lot Lorraine.

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Post by cb on Fri 11 Jul 2014 - 11:59

Great photo Lorraine and he looks shocked too at what he's done! It's great when you have a good day (whispering quietly as we are today) so hope he keeps it up.
We haven't had the boys to stay yet with Meg and I worry about her nipping them too as Ethan was quite worried about her playful behaviour at their house even though they have a rather large Doberman who is almost 2.
When we had our fist dog he was "done" at 6 months and really calmed his temperament.
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Post by Maria on Fri 11 Jul 2014 - 14:39

I think getting him 'done' is essential anyway, and yes, the vets here say 6 months for dogs and cats. I will be getting Jake the cat done and Jemma sterilised certainly.

KT is right about the short training sessions, 10 mins max but often Id say, and yes, I wouldnt worry about the immunity thing, he clearly needs to go out and meet the world and I wouldnt wait. The optimum time for socialising is 7-14 weeks, so you need to be doing that I think, the risk of him cathcing anything is tiny and its riskier not to socialise him properly.

If hes anything like Bracken was, the mental stimulation of being out, having to watch where you are on walks, seeing new things will whack him out better than anything physical. I mean avoid taking him anywhere where there are alot of mangy dogs obviously but I would have thought walks, car rides, a visit to a cafe where he has to sit at your feet and watch comings and goings etc will all do him the world of good.

cant offer any advice about biting and the kids, but I would think given his unreliablitly at the moment and their young age, the best thing would be for them NOT to be in contact. I would explain to the kids that he isnt ready, isnt trustable yet and therefore cant meet them until later, and I would keep him outside whilst they are there. Its by far the safest option and in this case I think you have no choice but to play it safe.

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Post by Lorraine on Fri 11 Jul 2014 - 15:52

10 minutes? I'll be bloody lucky. He doesn't even last a minute before he gets fed up and sods off.

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Post by Maria on Fri 11 Jul 2014 - 18:49

well cant you motivate him with either food treats or a toy?

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Post by Lorraine on Fri 11 Jul 2014 - 19:26

He has treats Maria. I'm clicker training him.

Honestly, there's nothing I haven't tried. Maybe I've tried too much and he's confused as all hell...I don't know any more. Crying or Very sad

And his ear's dropped again. Crying or Very sad

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Post by kt_dragonfly on Fri 11 Jul 2014 - 22:08

I think you've over loaded him in a short space of time with different techniques Lorraine. He's probably quite confused, one time he's doing this, next time it's that.

Have you managed to find a trainer or a puppy group? A trainer would give you the best training method for him.

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Post by Lorraine on Fri 11 Jul 2014 - 22:39

I'm on it Kate. Mr Green (see incidental).

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Post by Scatty on Sat 12 Jul 2014 - 9:44

He is lovely Lorraine, as the others say once he is out and you get him to actual puppy classes it should all work fine.
I know its old school and disaproved of now adays but sometimes (with toddlers) and puppies when they nip you use your hand in the shape of a mouth and nip back, it is what their mother and siblings would be doing if they were still together. I had to bite DS back when he was little as nothing else I did stoped him he was about 18months and I got to my wits end with him bit him back and he never did it again.

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Post by Scrap Monkey on Sat 12 Jul 2014 - 10:57

Yes Scatty, but if Lorraine's doing Positive Dog Training, with a clicker, she can't do that as it's counter-productive. Even nose smacking or using the word 'no' undoes any positive reinforcement that she has already trained. If a dog does something that you dislike, you immediately say something like 'oh dear' and remove yourself (and therefore any attention) from them. Smacking or nipping is still attention, which is what they are after.

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Post by Scatty on Sat 12 Jul 2014 - 11:19

I discovered that Tina, My niece has told me, less tackfully than you too.  Embarassed LOL
I put it in the wrong place but she says classes and proper qualified trainer, I put her quote on other thread.

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